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May 26, 2012

CREACHER Atheism Requires too Much Faith
When I look at the complexity of the world and everything in it, the thought that it all happened by accident seems to require way too much faith. It’s far easier to believe that the universe is the creation of an amazing and superior mind. That mind’s name is Jesus.

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15 responses

  1. Circularity is not a virtue.

    May 26, 2012 at 4:46 pm

  2. Before I come into this mocking the entire concept I have to make sure of something: are you being serious?

    May 26, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    • Of course all my cartoons are somewhat tongue in cheek, but for me is the concept that this complex world that we live in is all just the result of random chance and some sort of cosmic accident requires too much faith. To me the belief that it came from an intelligent creator is far more plausible. You can mock that if you want, but I probably won’t be swayed by mockery.

      May 26, 2012 at 10:00 pm

      • I don’t understand how processes that we know happen are less believable than an intelligence we have nothing but ad hoc and (often) from-ignorance arguments for

        May 27, 2012 at 5:44 am

      • I know anything I say here will seem somewhat vacuous to you and you’ve already referred to my faith as ignorance, but here’s what I know, when I was at the lowest point in my life none of the things I thought I knew were doing a thing to help me and I cried out to God for help. He changed my life and I began following the teachings of the Bible. Now I live to do the things Jesus taught, love my neighbors, friends even enemies. If I’m wrong about God, I will have lived a good life trying to help others and make a difference (yes I know that there are people who do this without a belief in God, but I wasn’t one of them). I will have tried to help and serve others and then I will rot in a box like everyone else. I know in my heart I am not wrong about God. I don’t know that I can prove God in scientific terms, but I fully intend to “prove” Him with my life.

        May 27, 2012 at 8:39 am

      • “Argument from ignorance” is the technical name of the argument you gave.
        Actually, that’s not true. The argument is technically called the “argument from person incredulity”, but I find that name even more offensive than “argument from ignorance”. The reason I find it offensive is because it implies great arrogance on behalf of the person making the argument from personal incredulity.

        Now, to the core of the matter: according to your picture and inferred from your comments it takes more faith to be an atheist (to abstain from a certain belief) than it does to be a theist (to accept a certain belief) in the grounds that asking God for help made you feel a certain way (which is circular logic) and because you can’t account for complexity any other way (which is an argument from personal incredulity–as you may prefer that term to “argument from ignorance”).

        I shouldn’t have to explain why that just doesn’t make sense.

        May 27, 2012 at 9:23 am

      • I don’t believe I come at it from arrogance or ignorance. I simply believe in God and Jesus. As to circular logic and all these other things, I am fully aware that you don’t agree with me and I suspect the only way I could please you would be to disavow my deeply held beliefs. I know this will seem arrogant, but I am unwilling to do that. I would love to offer you scientific proof of God and his existence, I don’t know that I can, I’m not a scientist, though you may find Josh McDowell’s Evidence That Demands a Verdict interesting. I simply have faith that what I believe is true.

        May 27, 2012 at 7:02 pm

      • I’m not trying to me offensive here, but argument from ignorance and argument from personal incredulity are the technical terms for the argument you presented.
        Argument from ignorance is about you not knowing something–i.e. how else complexity could come to be–therefore it is justified to assume the answer–i.e. God.
        The argument from personal incredulity is when you can’t imagine a better answer for a phenomenon therefore you are justified in asserting the answer.
        I find the latter to be an arrogant stance of argument, and the former is ignorance.

        I’m not asking you to change your beliefs or even to offer evidence. I am simply pointing this out.

        I will ask a question, however: what, as an atheist, do I need faith in?

        May 28, 2012 at 11:26 am

      • I guess i see what you’re saying. Still it puts a person in a tough position when the only two possibilities for a faith (which by it’s definition asks for belief rather than evidence and proof) are arrogance or ignorance. I try to be neither, but only loving and caring. As to what you need faith in. That would put me in a place of telling you what you need which would only support the arrogance position. What I will say is this, my prayer is that everyone would find the joy, peace and love that I have found in Jesus Christ. That is not to presuppose that you live a joyless, peaceless or loveless existence, but merely to say that what I have found has been truly amazing.

        May 28, 2012 at 12:29 pm

      • Also, your art stuff is amazing. Just thought you should know.

        May 28, 2012 at 11:28 am

      • Thanks so much. Also I wanted to let you know that tomorrow’s piece was posted several days before our exchange and is not targetted at you. I saw some really nasty stuff pointed at Christianity on Facebook and so I did what I usually do, which is post a question.

        May 28, 2012 at 12:31 pm

      • I’m not trying to tell you that arrogance and ignorance are your only options. I am saying that’s all you’ve presented.
        You may be the recipient of divine revelation, which although isn’t exactly a communicable evidence–i.e. your revelation won’t convince me because it’s a personal evidence–I understand why it may convince you.

        You may genuinely see all alternatives as implausible (although that is bordering on the arrogant assumption that what you find implausible must actually be implausible; the argument from personal incredulity).
        It may actually just be a faith thing.

        What none of this will account for is why my position requires more faith. So it is to that end that I am currently questioning you. The point of the post is that it takes more faith to be an atheist. Short of just parroting Ray Comfort’s catchphrase, I’m not sure what you’re getting at. You must have had something in mind when you dedicated your time to creating your art.

        (Thank you for letting me know in advance that the post is not about me. You make is sound like I might have been offended had I not known)

        May 28, 2012 at 1:05 pm

  3. You can delete this comment and the one that reads “Also, your art stuff is amazing. Just thought you should know.” if you want. I used Word Press’ notification thing and I sent it to the wrong post.

    May 28, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    • For some reason, I can’t reply to your last comment, pertaining to why atheism requires more faith. I must have passed the number of replies allowed. (I’ll have to dig into the settings some more.) To be honest, I didn’t know Ray Comfort said that, so I guess I didn’t parrot it, :D. As to why atheism requires more faith, remember it’s a cartoon and therefore somewhat tongue in cheek, however at the risk of sounding arrogant, I really do believe that for me at least it’s harder to believe the universe is “accidental” than it is to believe that some intelligence is involved. There is no doubt it is a faith thing for me. What precipitated this cartoon? Over the years, I have seen countless really hard hearted and harsh portrayals of Christians as being imbeciles for believing in a creator. My cartoon is a light hearted, respectful response. People don’t understand how I can believe what I believe, I don’t understand how others can believe what they believe. I guess there is a certain two way incredulity going on but I can assure you I mean no arrogance by it. Just putting forth another point of view.

      As to tomorrow’s cartoon, I have a few friends on Facebook who post some horribly bigoted stuff about Christianity, stuff that wouldn’t be tolerated were it said against any other group. I posted a cartoon calling them on the bigotry of the pieces they post. I do not in the least consider you a bigot and I wanted to make sure you did not think I posted it because of you. I have enjoyed this discussion. I usually am about a week ahead on these cartoons.

      May 28, 2012 at 5:39 pm

      • Thank you for your sincerity. It’s nice to have a polite conversation about the issue.

        To put my point forward, I suppose the reason I don’t see it the same way is because my point of view (atheism) makes less propositions–you assert a God, I don’t–and that seems to mean less faith.

        There are some principles atheism can fall back on, like the anthropic principle, the multiverse etc. But if an atheist were completely ignorant to all of these things it wouldn’t matter. It’s not until good evidence for God is forth coming does atheism need it’s positive arguments.

        You are happy to confess that your faith does actually rest on faith and not some evidence you’re simply refusing to share (I do encounter people that act like they have evidence when indeed they also just believe on faith) and I really respect that.

        May 29, 2012 at 9:29 am

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